Posting a pro-jock argument on a decidedly nerdy website, you must be a jock yourself.

This discussion could go anywhere. I think I despise Bush, certainly because of his uncaring malignity, but also a great deal because of his incompetence: If you have to be fascist, at least do it right, instead of the Laurel & Hardy version. Americans are just no good at fascism, leave that to Europeans.

"...you must be a jock yourself."

Please, the only goals I ever scored were "own". And even those were by accident.

Hmmm, incompetence.

Nice answer. Makes sense, sort of, as he had a record for failure EXCEPT, depending on partisanship, as Governor of Texas, for whatever reason that might be.

By that I mean that is a clear fault of GWB that preceded the exercise of Presidency, though for me personally, it doesn't evoke much hostility as failure and I can meet occasionally, or more, and I don't want to tick it off unnecesarily.

Yeah, but you're not the prez... It really does tick me off to have an utter failure of a human being command the most powerful nation on Earth. To have to listen to him speak...

Wonder how Jeb would've been. More like pops, I suppose, though I actually don't know a lot about Jeb.

I think you are straying dangerously close to equating anti-jock sentiment with anti-idiot sentiment.

I confess wholeheartedly to the latter, but hey, some of my best friends are jocks!

The comments about women discussing celebrity tabloid trash to the exclusion of everything else were depressingly accurate.

Read the discussion thread on this unrelated post on 9/11-stuff, one makes the argument guys who liked Led Zeppelin were jocks. So I thought of this thread. Bit too young to know, but is there something to it?

LZ was popular (no admission as to whether i am old enough to remember, but may possibly be) primarily among the "freaks", stoners, but also among the frat boy types when drunk.

Generally, they were also generally popular and well-regarded, for their type, except by the critic-class.

Hmmm

Interesting reflexion.

I should suspect that in the intellectual Left spectrum where one does find a large portion of the brainy and under socialised, yes hatred of jocks and such persona may be driver.

At the same time, I hardly should think it is a terribly important aspect - I may be poorly placed to judge such things, but it I never personally thought of Bush as a sporting type (yes, I know the baseball ownership stint, but...) as such.

The connexion may be that he perhaps responds to the "dumb jock" stereotype, not terribly articulate, perhaps moderate in intelligence but not particularly inquisitive, etc.

Shall we say politely, not the innovative team captian with physical skill and mental fortitude, but the solid mate who knows the rules of the sport, the team, etc. And who should, despite team spirit, never be made captain as he is fundamentally dim.

Over here I think he has closer to that image, perhaps because of my past Texas experience I see and saw it more so.